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enriquemolina:

For the record, I do not condone stealthing or bareback with strangers; it’s irresponsible and stupid. Advocates for such behavior are becoming more and more prevalent, which makes me relieved to be in the safety of a monogamous marriage.

There will almost always be risk involved with intimacy,…

Also, advocates for reckless unprotected gay sex justify their views by pointing out that some who encourage safe sex enjoy or engage in bareback sex. But a preference against condom use does not imply a disregard for sexual health.

While it might feel better and have certain transcendental advantages, responsible adults practice restraint and take calculated risks, only engaging in bareback sex with a trusted partner, or in my case, the spouse of their monogamous marriage.

I guess this foolishness is just a cross or community has to bear as a result of being subjugated for so long. It’s internalized heterosexism at its worst manifested through self-harm.

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2ndhalfoflife:

mogen-david:

2ndhalfoflife:

mogen-david:

2ndhalfoflife:

mysteriumkeeper:

mogen-david:

godinthebrokenness:

I don’t care how old your tradition is or how many adherents you have if your tradition is oppressive.

It still does not make it above reproach, nor is it arrogance to critique the tradition or it’s culture.

By alienating oppressive people and culture, oppression is not…

As a queer person, I approve this message. Don’t be an asshole. Rather sow the seeds of justice by your peaceful acts as St. James tells us.

I’m going to side with godinthebrokenness on this one. What place do I have in a tradition such as the one in which I was raised, the Roman Catholic Church? I’m queer and trans. Do you think they’d ordain me? No. The UCC will, provided I successfully complete seminary and the denominational requirements. 

I left the RCC more than 20 years ago for a variety of reasons, including their stance on queer persons (though I didn’t identify as queer (or trans) back then). This faith tradition’s leadership is openly condescending to persons such as myself, and much of its laity is openly hostile. Though I left this church and was never confirmed in it, I was educated solely in Catholic schools as a child. But even if I hadn’t, it would still be proper to offer critiques on doctrine I feel to be unhealthy at best and spiritually damaging at worst.

There are ways to do just that in ways that produce progress and dialogue.
2ndhalfoflife
, what you’re saying is exactly what I wish all people would encourage. Critique and dialogue. But Andrew failed to offer any critique of Orthodox practice, culture, or traditions, and rather just took a sort of -Fuck Orthodox because oppression- attitude. Regardless of whether the ordination of queer or female/woman-identified people is possible in the Orthodox tradition, such position provides no ground for such disrespect of an institution founded in Apostolic succession, teaching, and authority. The age and role of this institution in the history of the Church and the spread of the Gospel through the East
absolutely grants it (what I see as) an entitlement to respect. The Church is not exempt from critique and accountability, but any expression of faith is deserving of basic respect, especially those with historical relevancy and claims to authority. If you’re going to call attention to abuse and persecution in the Church, then do it respectfully and without hypocrisy and contempt. Be a beacon of divine Grace to the church. But if you’re going to do so by means of alienation and disrespect, then just sit down. No one in their right mind is going to listen. And they certainly aren’t going to change.

Before making my post, I went to Andrew’s blog to view some of his more recent posts on this and related topics. I still say he was well within his rights to make the comments he did.

Age of an institution, or person, does not in my mind give one what’s necessary for respect. Should my kids and their peers in their generation respect me simply because I’ve been privileged to have lived as long as I have? No. That would be preposterous. Institutions such as these Christian churches under discussion have been around long enough to adapt to changing societies and recognize that there is value in all of humanity. But instead, it seems they have elected to continue to use the mores of times long since passed.

There is a certain amount of respect that we as individuals can expect to receive. I’m not convinced that institutions and group entities are entitled to the same, though. After a point, respect must be earned.

Um, two thousand years of contribution to the wellbeing of the Church does not qualify as ground for respect?

Qualified respect, yes. Complete respect? No. Not in my mind. Not when this same body has also caused great harm at various times and even today.

Every branch of Christianity has screwed things up along the lines. I love the Episcopal Church and the Anglican. Communion. But the Rt Rev’d Gene Robinson notes that there was an Episcopal bishop of New Hampshire who wrote a book affirming slavery. There were also dioceses that fought desegregation of schools. And the national church did things to hurt the native people of this country, which I cannot just forget as someone who is around 1/3 native. Meanwhile the CofE only just evolved to having women as bishops this year and the Archb Archbishop of Canterbury still defends the grave injustices of anti-LGBT African clergy.

Every Church old enough to have a history has made wrong choices. Just because some came around on the LGBT and Women’s Rights issues doesn’t mean they’re perfect either.

We can let our brothers and sisters know they’re wrong on certain issues without completely disregarding them. We’re supposed to be better than them, aren’t we? If so, let’s act like it. Name calling is what some of them do. Let’s not stoop to that level.

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mysteriumkeeper:

mogen-david:

godinthebrokenness:

I don’t care how old your tradition is or how many adherents you have if your tradition is oppressive.

It still does not make it above reproach, nor is it arrogance to critique the tradition or it’s culture.

By alienating oppressive people and culture, oppression is not…

As a queer person, I approve of mogen-david’s message. Don’t be an asshole. Rather sow the seeds of justice by your peaceful acts as St. James tells us.
I too agree with mogen-david. I get frustrated with Rome or with the Eastern church quite a bit. But we are all one. We believe in One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. So they’re still our brothers and sisters. And some of them, such as fellow gaychristian contributor happencheese-chan are gay and are working to change their church from the inside out. So namecalling or lashing out doesn’t help. Definitely we should call them out when they mess things up, but our baptismal covenant holds us accountable for respecting the dignity of all human beings. If they don’t do the same, that’s on them. But we have our own faith to be accountable for and not theirs.

I’m not sure where to start as far as facilitating this conversation. I know the priest at my home parish would be receptive to this because he comes from a group of three parishes that joined together as one parish with three campuses and shared clergy.

But I’m just a minister of music and former vestryman. I don’t know where to begin as far as facilitating dialogue on this idea…

Episcopal stuff...

soontobereverend:

enriquemolina:

I’ve been thinking about the state of some Episcopal parishes in this area. The parish I’m leaving is small and the part time priest re-retires in 11 months. The parish I’m going to doesn’t have a priest. A parish near them doesn’t either.

I wonder if we could follow the model of North Parish a…

Absolutely.

We have 2 parishes just 5 miles from each other. One only has services the first Sunday of the month. And the other is presided over by a Lutheran pastor.

Then in the river parishes, there are 2 parishes without a priest that are about 20 miles apart.

However, while dwindling population is a concern, the major problem we have in this convocation (and diocese) is a lack of priests and the inability of deacons to serve communion.

While some parishes will inevitably have to close, or at best become seasonal parishes, I think that many of them would be best served under a plan like you’re talking about.

I think it would be especially beneficial to clergy and ministers of music who can only find part time positions.

You think there’s a clergy shortage? In your area or the national church as a whole? I hear some say there is and others say there isn’t. Idk. And you think deacons ought to be able to preside over the Eucharist? I’m probably going to enroll in the Bishop’s School next month and become a vocational deacon; I couldn’t afford seminary and don’t wish to cherish any delusion in that, so I figure this is a suitable option.

Episcopal stuff…

I’ve been thinking about the state of some Episcopal parishes in this area. The parish I’m leaving is small and the part time priest re-retires in 11 months. The parish I’m going to doesn’t have a priest. A parish near them doesn’t either.

I wonder if we could follow the model of North Parish, a group of parishes in the diocese that combined as one in the 60’s. They have one vestry, but two priests that serve three congregations within a 25-or-so mile radius.

With demographics drastically changing in this area, I think this is an excellent model for growth and renewal. I’m curious what others think. Should I act as a diplomat and try to encourage folks to consider this model?

thepotentiallyreverend theepiscopalproject soontobereverend mogen-david joshbarrett locusimperium sebastianmorris (and others I can’t think of atm)

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